tmux.conf: use brackets for if-shell commands

[crpb]

• it's easier to read \ó/

[mika]

Nice idea, thanks! Not sure how backwards compatible this is (you've confirmed with bullseye according to IRC), basically LGTM, leaving the +2 to @jkirk :)

[mika]

From IRC: we seem to have issues with tmate, to be clarified :-/

[crpb]

Sadly it seems (fooding old) tmate isn't liking any of those {}

test@obelix:~$ grep '[{}]' /etc/tmux.conf
bind-key B if-shell '! tmux has-session -t bg' {
...
}
test@obelix:~$ tmate
lost server

ant it already complains about this new thing

grml-etc-core/etc/tmux.conf

Line 65 in d891ce5

if-shell "command -v hostname && hostname --help | grep -q -- -I" { set -g status-right "#[fg=green](net: #(hostname -I | sed -e 's/ [^ ]*:.*$//;s/ / | /g;s/ | $//')) #[fg=yellow]%Y-%m-%d %H:%M" } { set -g status-right '#[fg=yellow]%Y-%m-%d %H:%M' }

cb@obelix ~dls % schroot --directory=/ --user root --chroot=source:app_bookworm
obelix# wget -O /etc/tmux.conf https://raw.githubusercontent.com/grml/grml-etc-core/refs/heads/master/etc/tmux.conf
--2025-03-28 15:46:34--  https://raw.githubusercontent.com/grml/grml-etc-core/refs/heads/master/etc/tmux.conf
Resolving raw.githubusercontent.com (raw.githubusercontent.com)... 2606:50c0:8003::154, 2606:50c0:8000::154, 2606:50c0:8001::154, ...
Connecting to raw.githubusercontent.com (raw.githubusercontent.com)|2606:50c0:8003::154|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 2844 (2.8K) [text/plain]
Saving to: '/etc/tmux.conf'

/etc/tmux.conf                              100%[========================================================================================>]   2.78K  --.-KB/s    in 0.003s

2025-03-28 15:46:34 (825 KB/s) - '/etc/tmux.conf' saved [2844/2844]

obelix# apt update; apt install -y tmate
....
obelix# tmate
/etc/tmux.conf:65: usage: if-shell [-bF] [-t target-pane] shell-command command [command]                                                                               [0/0]
Tip: if you wish to use tmate only for remote access, run: tmate -F
....

Maybe tmate needs to unlearn about /etc/tmux.conf 🙈

https://salsa.debian.org/debian/tmate/-/blob/upstream/tmux.h?ref_type=heads#L56

[zeha]

This needs at least a rebase, and also the tmate issue needs to be sorted out.

[crpb]

also the tmate issue needs to be sorted

thougts? https://salsa.debian.org/cb/tmate/-/commit/0dae773b26e929bb448f29a60aeb8fe0b45c42a0

[zeha]

did that land in forky?

i'd be ok with it being broken on trixie (if it works in forky), duno about the others.

[zeha]

i'd be ok with it being broken on trixie (if it works in forky), duno about the others.

on second thought, doing this for grml-etc-core would be bad. users expect better backwards compat.

[crpb]

did that land in forky?

no, i only created that here for me today to see if it works and it does.
but yeah, it would break even trixie if send in and then even accepted with this /etc/tmux.con

[mika]

did that land in forky?

no, i only created that here for me today to see if it works and it does. but yeah, it would break even trixie if send in and then even accepted with this /etc/tmux.con

I'd love to have https://salsa.debian.org/cb/tmate/-/commit/0dae773b26e929bb448f29a60aeb8fe0b45c42a0 available, but I agree, we shouldn't break backwards compatibility. :-/

[zeha]

Dev Meeting Result: Until the referenced commits lands in oldstable, this needs to be put back.

[zeha]

Needs to wait for Debian oldstable

[zeha]

@mika wdyt about adding a tmate alias that expands to tmate -f $HOME/.tmate.conf, which could then be a custom tmate.conf?
Don't know if this is feasible, but maybe worth considering?

[mika]

@mika wdyt about adding a tmate alias that expands to tmate -f $HOME/.tmate.conf, which could then be a custom tmate.conf? Don't know if this is feasible, but maybe worth considering?

I love this idea and just implemented it.
But tmate is really stupid: it still reads the global /etc/tmux.conf, even when explictly running tmate -f ... :(

So I don't see any way forward to continue usage of tmate with tmux :(
Related: #247

[zeha]

@mika wdyt about adding a tmate alias that expands to tmate -f $HOME/.tmate.conf, which could then be a custom tmate.conf? Don't know if this is feasible, but maybe worth considering?

I love this idea and just implemented it. But tmate is really stupid: it still reads the global /etc/tmux.conf, even when explictly running tmate -f ... :(

Ugh, that seems bad.

So I don't see any way forward to continue usage of tmate with tmux :( Related: #247

So ... out with tmate?

[mika]

@mika wdyt about adding a tmate alias that expands to tmate -f $HOME/.tmate.conf, which could then be a custom tmate.conf? Don't know if this is feasible, but maybe worth considering?

I love this idea and just implemented it. But tmate is really stupid: it still reads the global /etc/tmux.conf, even when explictly running tmate -f ... :(

Ugh, that seems bad.

Yes :(

So I don't see any way forward to continue usage of tmate with tmux :( Related: #247

So ... out with tmate?

At least plan its removal and a better replacement, yeah :(

[evgeni]

I've been using upterm for similar things as tmate recently, but no idea if that's packaged.

[mika]

I've been using upterm for similar things as tmate recently, but no idea if that's packaged.

ACK thanks, upterm sadly isn't packaged yet (see #247)